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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:17 pm 
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Hi all,

I am new to this forum and I just want to know about
the steps in finding the raaga of a song.

I know there are many theory books on this topic but
what I am after is that some kind of 'thumb rules'

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Hi Jothi,

I dont think there are any thumb rules to identify ragam. I wish there was!! I think one gets to learn to identify ragams by listening to more and more songs.

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Hi Jothi,

I dont think there are any thumb rules to identify ragam. I wish there was!! I think one gets to learn to identify ragams by listening to more and more songs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:43 pm 
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Hmm. I am surprised that no one is suggesting ways to go about finding the raga of a song.

Actually, the answer lies a lot on the listener's exposure and ability.
But, I think I can suggest some ways based on how I did it over the years. I shall make it as simple as possible. You may find some of
these very basic depending on how much you can do this already.

1. Ragas have characteristic phrases, which are probably the first things any listener uses to "nail down" a raga. After learning all about the theory, one would still use these as "thumb rules" to converge on the raga fast. So, one approach is to learn about the characteristic phrases (pakads) in some of your favorite ragas. Always start with some ragas and songs that you "love". They are the best starting points. Not varnams, not geethams. Ask around if you want to know the notes
of a musical phrase that you like. Anyone will willingly answer that.

2. If you play an instrument, your most likely approach for nailing
down a raga is to place the notes in the raga. Every raga has a base scale and a set of notes in the ascent and descent. I realize that this statement is very loose, but for the present purpose, it works. As the raga is rendered, if you can think of which notes those are and map
out the ascent and descent, it makes the raga identification easier.
You can certainly find the mapping in books.

3. Probably the best approach is to start from what you know, and
build a database in your mind. To develop a feel for the different
notes, one possible way is this: Pick a favorite pentatonic:
Understand the scale of mohanam, and learn to trace the notes
of the raga in any song. Now you know these notes. Now, pick
a song in hamsadwani. Do the same.. You will now understand
what happens when "dha" changes to "ni". Now, try a Sivaranjani
song. One note switch at a time. Brindavana Saranga.. This exercise
will push your feel for notes, and will help with your raga knowledge.

The most important thing is to restrict yourself to the tunes that you
like. If you get more curious about those, the rest will fall in place.

Hope that helps,

Subu


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savvysubu wrote:
Hmm. I am surprised that no one is suggesting ways to go about finding the raga of a song.

Actually, the answer lies a lot on the listener's exposure and ability.
But, I think I can suggest some ways based on how I did it over the years. I shall make it as simple as possible. You may find some of
these very basic depending on how much you can do this already.

1. Ragas have characteristic phrases, which are probably the first things any listener uses to "nail down" a raga. After learning all about the theory, one would still use these as "thumb rules" to converge on the raga fast. So, one approach is to learn about the characteristic phrases (pakads) in some of your favorite ragas. Always start with some ragas and songs that you "love". They are the best starting points. Not varnams, not geethams. Ask around if you want to know the notes
of a musical phrase that you like. Anyone will willingly answer that.

2. If you play an instrument, your most likely approach for nailing
down a raga is to place the notes in the raga. Every raga has a base scale and a set of notes in the ascent and descent. I realize that this statement is very loose, but for the present purpose, it works. As the raga is rendered, if you can think of which notes those are and map
out the ascent and descent, it makes the raga identification easier.
You can certainly find the mapping in books.

3. Probably the best approach is to start from what you know, and
build a database in your mind. To develop a feel for the different
notes, one possible way is this: Pick a favorite pentatonic:
Understand the scale of mohanam, and learn to trace the notes
of the raga in any song. Now you know these notes. Now, pick
a song in hamsadwani. Do the same.. You will now understand
what happens when "dha" changes to "ni". Now, try a Sivaranjani
song. One note switch at a time. Brindavana Saranga.. This exercise
will push your feel for notes, and will help with your raga knowledge.

The most important thing is to restrict yourself to the tunes that you
like. If you get more curious about those, the rest will fall in place.

Hope that helps,

Subu


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